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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:18 am
Yup! Valid points encore, Zimbabwe seem to have self destruct quite idiotically here.
As an outsider i could observe that Mukhlani knows how to play this game and he is quite good at it
1) he pushed for suspension and got it
2) he also got the decision from the ICC to reinstate him or get expelled
3) He got the majority of players and staff on his side as well
4) He simply won't care if Zimbabwe cricket dies, he will still live happily.
In all this SRC and the interim board have looked like idiots and it will go down as they are the ones responsible for ZC death. Players and everyone else will suffer.
It's hard to argue with that.
I listened to the podcast, Mlotshwa keeps talking about a "contingency" plan but doesn't actually detail anything about it. It's becoming pretty clear there isn't one and I'm guessing not many people will rock up tomorrow.
With that said though, what's the point of continued funding if the team just gets poorer and poorer each year and no new players are coming through? It's just wasted money that might as well be sent to Namibia or Netherlands or whoever else is next in line. Are we not at the point where we may as well risk expulsion for one last chance at saving the game?
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I don’t think SRC/Interim board are offering to pay for their salaries 😂
That would be saying cricket is finished and here’s the newer lesser version with us in charge.
Well the rumour goes that Mlotshwa, Bvute and Mukhulani were all involved in that Telecel deal?
I’m not sure why you are so pro ZC?
That would be saying cricket is finished and here’s the newer lesser version with us in charge.
Well the rumour goes that Mlotshwa, Bvute and Mukhulani were all involved in that Telecel deal?
I’m not sure why you are so pro ZC?
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I am pro cricket personally. I dont this has to be the end. 3 runs away fro qualification. Test win in Bangladesh. Series win in Sri Lanka. We are not dead yet. Funding guaranteed. Fixtures guaranteed. No debt. What else more do you want? As I said this is a historical grudge wirh people who have now found a way to bite back. The game has been in far worse situations.
Funny enough when we almost got suspended because of debt last year nobody cried. Why today do you want a fresh start? Something isnt adding up for me.
My point about the telecel deal is that they all have dirty hands.
Funny enough when we almost got suspended because of debt last year nobody cried. Why today do you want a fresh start? Something isnt adding up for me.
My point about the telecel deal is that they all have dirty hands.
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Now the Folau circus has made its way to this forum, may I offer a view that I have not yet seen expressed in this forum to date. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is mainly for non Aussie forumites.
Briefly recapping: 2018 highest profile RU star Folau posts religious beliefs.
With all the ferocity of a wet lettuce, the Australian Rugby Union executive slap his wrist & say don't do it again as he's contravened his workplace agreement.
Floau signs a further contract for $4 Million. And, I would suggest, in this contract it would stipulate he not use his status within the rugby world to grandstand any further views. In 2018, Folau writes a column in the PLayers Voice, in first person- not ghost written- that he would walk away from his contract if his situation became untenable & he was hurting Australian Rugby, sponsors & the Rugby community.
In 2019, he posts to his instagram & twitter & other social media his views again. Please note, his views are not just in regard to homosexuals but to adulters, drunks(Do'h!), liars, fornicators, thieves (ZC you're f***ed), Athiests & Idolaters.
He gets sacked & I would suggest it is for breaching his employment agreement & from a legal perspective, that alone. He could well have called the ARU p***ks & he still would have been sacked because I'm sure he's not allowed to denounce his employer. I have an EA with my employer & its written in mine.
He sues, not walk away (liar?).
Queensland hooker, Taniela Tupou(who?) says Aust Rugby may as well sack all Polynesians as they have much the same belief. (Well, thanks Taniela but you're not Folau so you don't matter. And I haven't seen anyone go out in sympathy).
Now Folau, as an elite sportsman, has amassed a sizeable fortune with an impressive property portfolio.He also owns a $500,000 Lamborghini (idolator?). Not illegal of course but he's hardly living a humble religious experience. And of course, the Go Fund Me account to pay his legals.
Where it all gets tricky, does freedom of speech exist in a workplace context? Can the employer preserve his brand & sack those who breach the Employment Agreement? On this issue, I'm with Folau because this could rewrite all EA's in Australia making them not worth the paper its written on. Because I sure want to say things about my employer.
In regard to the religious context of Folau's posts, I blame the media for beating it up.(I bet the editors & journalists have Employment agreements waved under their noses by Murdoch et al reminding them what they can & can't do). Folau, as church leader, seems to have posted his views on his own social media to his own followers. So has he used the Rugby platform to highlight his views? (This one is for the legals). Well, in my world, if the media didn't stick with it like s**t to a wet blanket, then I would not have heard a thing. And I imagine many others in Australia wouldn't of as well.
Anyway, thanks for the chance to rant. This could go for ages. A whole new thread.
Briefly recapping: 2018 highest profile RU star Folau posts religious beliefs.
With all the ferocity of a wet lettuce, the Australian Rugby Union executive slap his wrist & say don't do it again as he's contravened his workplace agreement.
Floau signs a further contract for $4 Million. And, I would suggest, in this contract it would stipulate he not use his status within the rugby world to grandstand any further views. In 2018, Folau writes a column in the PLayers Voice, in first person- not ghost written- that he would walk away from his contract if his situation became untenable & he was hurting Australian Rugby, sponsors & the Rugby community.
In 2019, he posts to his instagram & twitter & other social media his views again. Please note, his views are not just in regard to homosexuals but to adulters, drunks(Do'h!), liars, fornicators, thieves (ZC you're f***ed), Athiests & Idolaters.
He gets sacked & I would suggest it is for breaching his employment agreement & from a legal perspective, that alone. He could well have called the ARU p***ks & he still would have been sacked because I'm sure he's not allowed to denounce his employer. I have an EA with my employer & its written in mine.
He sues, not walk away (liar?).
Queensland hooker, Taniela Tupou(who?) says Aust Rugby may as well sack all Polynesians as they have much the same belief. (Well, thanks Taniela but you're not Folau so you don't matter. And I haven't seen anyone go out in sympathy).
Now Folau, as an elite sportsman, has amassed a sizeable fortune with an impressive property portfolio.He also owns a $500,000 Lamborghini (idolator?). Not illegal of course but he's hardly living a humble religious experience. And of course, the Go Fund Me account to pay his legals.
Where it all gets tricky, does freedom of speech exist in a workplace context? Can the employer preserve his brand & sack those who breach the Employment Agreement? On this issue, I'm with Folau because this could rewrite all EA's in Australia making them not worth the paper its written on. Because I sure want to say things about my employer.
In regard to the religious context of Folau's posts, I blame the media for beating it up.(I bet the editors & journalists have Employment agreements waved under their noses by Murdoch et al reminding them what they can & can't do). Folau, as church leader, seems to have posted his views on his own social media to his own followers. So has he used the Rugby platform to highlight his views? (This one is for the legals). Well, in my world, if the media didn't stick with it like s**t to a wet blanket, then I would not have heard a thing. And I imagine many others in Australia wouldn't of as well.
Anyway, thanks for the chance to rant. This could go for ages. A whole new thread.
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TapsC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:51 am
https://www.herald.co.zw/big-blow-for-langton-rusere/
Umpire Langton Rusere also being dropped from tours because of this mess. Surely nobody can support innocent people getting hurt because we want to see a few guys gone. This is painful. Years of hard work going down the drain. There has to be a better way than destroying hundreds of peoples lives. You can have your issues with Hami and the senior team's squables but what about the umpires, the women's team, the ground staff, bus drivers, cleaners, the junior teams?
Lets not try and create fantasy situations and think we will lose funding and bounce back. If you are over 40 you will never see that bounce back with your own eyes. This will take decades to fix because we dont have an economy that can naturally support sport through sponsorship. You think a 100 million dollar institution can suddenly survive on 5 million dollars? The days of people playing for fun and passion like the 80s and 90s are gone. Sport is now professional everywhere. If you think a 30 year old model will work in 2019 you are in for a big shock.
Interesting that Rusere , Matibiri and Tiffin's names have been deleted from the ICC Umpires page. How rude
https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/crick ... ire-panels
Pycroft is still there although he's not listed as a Match Referee for any upcoming games.
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Mr Twig wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:12 pm
Interesting that Rusere , Matibiri and Tiffin's names have been deleted from the ICC Umpires page. How rude
https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/crick ... ire-panels
Pycroft is still there although he's not listed as a Match Referee for any upcoming games.
These are sanctions, so let's do what small countries do under sanctions: either grow big enough to threaten your own sanctions (look at Trump bending over backwards not to sanction Saudi Arabia and lose that military contract) or, like a bear, go into hibernation until the winter passes. ICC will back off once Mukuhlani calls his dogs off or the sanctions will become semi permanent until a new regime takes over at ICC and they look at Zim's case again. They will only do that if our game is not dead. So to repeat my mantra, let's wean ourselves from the ICC cash and go back to the club game and rebuild from there. Have volunteers running the clubs, rejuvenate club leagues - like the Bulawayo Metropolitan one - all over the country. Without this we are just a shell anyway, even with ICC money.
Think about it, this is the essence. Your kid goes to school and enjoys playing cricket against other school teams. This is part of education and should continue regardless of ZC. Then when your kid finishes A-Level his only viable choice we are giving him right now is to go to a South African university. But that's only a small, elite minority and we'll lose that kid to the SA system in any case. So the local alternative is local clubs, including those set up at UZ, MSU, NUST and hopefully all local universities, teachers' colleges and polytechnics, police and defence academies - everywhere there's post school training should set up a club and join the local league. Zim won't be poor forever but in the meantime that's where ZC should spend the little money they have, on equipment, maintaining pitches and creases, training, coaches and keeping the player database and records. One paid administrator per club, centrally contracted coaches roaming round the country evaluating and helping talent. Short-termism focusing on individual personality battles is what's hurting the country in general and cricket in particular.
The current generation thrown into the deep end in early 2000s have done a decent job but they're declining hence why we've fallen below Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and possibly the Netherlands. The generation following them wasn't nurtured very well, they've succeeded on their own personal drive and Taibu's Rising Allstars. Otherwise we are now likely to lose them but we should start now to think about players coming after the Burls and Muzarabanis of today. Our long term survival is on those, they are probably only about 15 years old now but they are the ones we should rescue.
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Boundary wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:02 pm
Mr Twig wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:12 pm
Interesting that Rusere , Matibiri and Tiffin's names have been deleted from the ICC Umpires page. How rude
https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/crick ... ire-panels
Pycroft is still there although he's not listed as a Match Referee for any upcoming games.
These are sanctions, so let's do what small countries do under sanctions: either grow big enough to threaten your own sanctions (look at Trump bending over backwards not to sanction Saudi Arabia and lose that military contract) or, like a bear, go into hibernation until the winter passes. ICC will back off once Mukuhlani calls his dogs off or the sanctions will become semi permanent until a new regime takes over at ICC and they look at Zim's case again. They will only do that if our game is not dead. So to repeat my mantra, let's wean ourselves from the ICC cash and go back to the club game and rebuild from there. Have volunteers running the clubs, rejuvenate club leagues - like the Bulawayo Metropolitan one - all over the country. Without this we are just a shell anyway, even with ICC money.
Think about it, this is the essence. Your kid goes to school and enjoys playing cricket against other school teams. This is part of education and should continue regardless of ZC. Then when your kid finishes A-Level his only viable choice we are giving him right now is to go to a South African university. But that's only a small, elite minority and we'll lose that kid to the SA system in any case. So the local alternative is local clubs, including those set up at UZ, MSU, NUST and hopefully all local universities, teachers' colleges and polytechnics, police and defence academies - everywhere there's post school training should set up a club and join the local league. Zim won't be poor forever but in the meantime that's where ZC should spend the little money they have, on equipment, maintaining pitches and creases, training, coaches and keeping the player database and records. One paid administrator per club, centrally contracted coaches roaming round the country evaluating and helping talent. Short-termism focusing on individual personality battles is what's hurting the country in general and cricket in particular.
The current generation thrown into the deep end in early 2000s have done a decent job but they're declining hence why we've fallen below Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and possibly the Netherlands. The generation following them wasn't nurtured very well, they've succeeded on their own personal drive and Taibu's Rising Allstars. Otherwise we are now likely to lose them but we should start now to think about players coming after the Burls and Muzabanis of today. Our long term survival is on those, they are probably only about 15 years old now but they are the ones we should rescue.
If that isn't happening now with ICC money what makes you think that "volunteers" will magically appear and start sponsoring club and grass roots cricket?
And what kid or parent will take cricket seriously if there is no path to a viable career, no first class cricket, no international cricket?
As was suggested earlier in the thread, this idea suspiciously sounds like a certain group of people want cricket in Zimbabwe to revert back to being an elitist and minority sport
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""If that isn't happening now with ICC money what makes you think that "volunteers" will magically appear and start sponsoring club and grass roots cricket?
Maybe it doesnt happen with ICC money because the current thieves steal it ?
When last did you interact with a club player never mind a franchise or national player,ask them what is happening at whatever level they are involved in ?
As for volunteers how do you think the SparBonsa T20 is happening ?
6 matches a weekend,coloured clothing (which the players get to keep),a NEW ball (white reader) per innings and lunch for the players.
Total cost to each player a whopping 10 bond,which is optional if you want your name on the back of your shirt.(some players prefer their names and a number!!)
All sponsored by local companies who ask nothing but a visible return on their input.
And what kid or parent will take cricket seriously if there is no path to a viable career, no first class cricket, no international cricket?
Gosh but that was sensible !
As was suggested earlier in the thread, this idea suspiciously sounds like a certain group of people want cricket in Zimbabwe to revert back to being an elitist and minority sport""
Bullshit.There are whites and blacks that the vast majority of players (at least in Bulawayo) dont want to see anywhere near a cricket field let alone an administrative position.
Encore
""Mukuhlani and Co get elected by the members""
Members like the briefcase clubs from Gwanda etc ?
An AGM notice pinned to the inside of the Tuskers office door at Queens,no agenda or audited accounts ?
Clubs in Bulawayo that are not properly constituted in their own right ?
The powers that be have been rotten for so long that it has become accepted,the players in general are captured because they have nothing else,our poked economy mustve been in answer to the thieves prayers.
Now we have principled,dedicated people who truly love the game trying to make a change and the world is ending?
Cricket in Zim is all but dead as it is those of us still here just havent got the energy to bury it yet,not that anyone here who loves the game wants to.
Buddy go and troll on the non existent ZC web page,and take encore with you.
You trolls have the ability to spout just enough of the truth to make your drivel sound plausible.
""If that isn't happening now with ICC money what makes you think that "volunteers" will magically appear and start sponsoring club and grass roots cricket?
Maybe it doesnt happen with ICC money because the current thieves steal it ?
When last did you interact with a club player never mind a franchise or national player,ask them what is happening at whatever level they are involved in ?
As for volunteers how do you think the SparBonsa T20 is happening ?
6 matches a weekend,coloured clothing (which the players get to keep),a NEW ball (white reader) per innings and lunch for the players.
Total cost to each player a whopping 10 bond,which is optional if you want your name on the back of your shirt.(some players prefer their names and a number!!)
All sponsored by local companies who ask nothing but a visible return on their input.
And what kid or parent will take cricket seriously if there is no path to a viable career, no first class cricket, no international cricket?
Gosh but that was sensible !
As was suggested earlier in the thread, this idea suspiciously sounds like a certain group of people want cricket in Zimbabwe to revert back to being an elitist and minority sport""
Bullshit.There are whites and blacks that the vast majority of players (at least in Bulawayo) dont want to see anywhere near a cricket field let alone an administrative position.
Encore
""Mukuhlani and Co get elected by the members""
Members like the briefcase clubs from Gwanda etc ?
An AGM notice pinned to the inside of the Tuskers office door at Queens,no agenda or audited accounts ?
Clubs in Bulawayo that are not properly constituted in their own right ?
The powers that be have been rotten for so long that it has become accepted,the players in general are captured because they have nothing else,our poked economy mustve been in answer to the thieves prayers.
Now we have principled,dedicated people who truly love the game trying to make a change and the world is ending?
Cricket in Zim is all but dead as it is those of us still here just havent got the energy to bury it yet,not that anyone here who loves the game wants to.
Buddy go and troll on the non existent ZC web page,and take encore with you.
You trolls have the ability to spout just enough of the truth to make your drivel sound plausible.
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Much like the Falau case, whilst I don’t agree with some of what Encore says it is good to have alternate views and I quite like having Encore here.
The Falau case will be interesting to see if the HC applies the implicit right to freedom of speech in the Aus constitution to this case.
The Falau case will be interesting to see if the HC applies the implicit right to freedom of speech in the Aus constitution to this case.
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As was suggested earlier in the thread, this idea suspiciously sounds like a certain group of people want cricket in Zimbabwe to revert back to being an elitist and minority sport
It always has been! 200 elitist "professional " cricketers in the country and only open to the minority rich.
The Falau case is simple.
God made us all so some gay sponsor can't pretend he is above God and trump the almighty.
Folau made his comments /quote and probably p**sed off the liars fornicators, muslims,hindus atheists by his Christian views but only the spiteful one in charge of Qantas abused his position and non-normal lifestyle.
Religious freedom trumps man made EA law...every time.
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matland wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:03 pm
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""If that isn't happening now with ICC money what makes you think that "volunteers" will magically appear and start sponsoring club and grass roots cricket?
Maybe it doesnt happen with ICC money because the current thieves steal it ?
When last did you interact with a club player never mind a franchise or national player,ask them what is happening at whatever level they are involved in ?
As for volunteers how do you think the SparBonsa T20 is happening ?
6 matches a weekend,coloured clothing (which the players get to keep),a NEW ball (white reader) per innings and lunch for the players.
Total cost to each player a whopping 10 bond,which is optional if you want your name on the back of your shirt.(some players prefer their names and a number!!)
All sponsored by local companies who ask nothing but a visible return on their input.
And what kid or parent will take cricket seriously if there is no path to a viable career, no first class cricket, no international cricket?
Gosh but that was sensible !
As was suggested earlier in the thread, this idea suspiciously sounds like a certain group of people want cricket in Zimbabwe to revert back to being an elitist and minority sport""
Bullshit.There are whites and blacks that the vast majority of players (at least in Bulawayo) dont want to see anywhere near a cricket field let alone an administrative position.
Encore
""Mukuhlani and Co get elected by the members""
Members like the briefcase clubs from Gwanda etc ?
An AGM notice pinned to the inside of the Tuskers office door at Queens,no agenda or audited accounts ?
Clubs in Bulawayo that are not properly constituted in their own right ?
The powers that be have been rotten for so long that it has become accepted,the players in general are captured because they have nothing else,our poked economy mustve been in answer to the thieves prayers.
Now we have principled,dedicated people who truly love the game trying to make a change and the world is ending?
Cricket in Zim is all but dead as it is those of us still here just havent got the energy to bury it yet,not that anyone here who loves the game wants to.
Buddy go and troll on the non existent ZC web page,and take encore with you.
You trolls have the ability to spout just enough of the truth to make your drivel sound plausible.
If you know how to read and are capable of understanding my point throughout this thread, then you'd realise that I have never said the Mkhuhlani board deserves to continue running ZC indefinitely... The issue is the ICC have made a ruling that means all meaningful cricket in the country dies if we are banned...
Right now, players are suffering (for example the lady chevrons) and will potentially miss out on the biggest opportunity of their lives, are you too stupid or insensitive to understand that? It's best to reinstate the board and find other means (within the ICC rules) to get rid of thieving ZC b*****ds like Mkhuhlani and get proper people running the game... with ICC resources, ODI and Test cricket, international fixtures etc intact
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ShareI think both sides have a fair assessment of the situation. If we get reinstated with the old board back best believe any players or staff that can be targeted as traitors will be left in the cold that includes Raza & Taylor. Meaning we will further decline our play at best we might hang on for 2-3 more yrs while being walloped by associate nations, ICC will come back to the table & maybe demote us to an associate nation. Slow death & painful to recover, we would lose the funding that many are in support of keeping.
On the other side, we can embrace the suspension stick to the SRC choice then likely be suspended indefinitely. Cricket Zim can be rebuilt, supported by the fans & experienced Sports Admins. With time maybe 5yrs which is a long time for any fan, we can start again at a lower level til we return back test status. We are still allowed bilateral series, only tournaments will greatly affect us. You might ask how we can raise funds, as at the moment i dont know but we need to be self sustainable otherwise ICC can fold us at anytime.
With the way the game is evolving, ICC will seriously have to consider more test nations. My thought was is it not possible to push for continental cricket councils under ICC, Africa has a lot of teams that play maybe level of competition isnt too good yet but with time there will be major improvements..
On the other side, we can embrace the suspension stick to the SRC choice then likely be suspended indefinitely. Cricket Zim can be rebuilt, supported by the fans & experienced Sports Admins. With time maybe 5yrs which is a long time for any fan, we can start again at a lower level til we return back test status. We are still allowed bilateral series, only tournaments will greatly affect us. You might ask how we can raise funds, as at the moment i dont know but we need to be self sustainable otherwise ICC can fold us at anytime.
With the way the game is evolving, ICC will seriously have to consider more test nations. My thought was is it not possible to push for continental cricket councils under ICC, Africa has a lot of teams that play maybe level of competition isnt too good yet but with time there will be major improvements..
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Xlife- I’m curious who here do you suspect wants cricket to become an elitist white minority sport?
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Googly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:01 am
sam_ahm wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:38 am
Here cricket in an entire country is coming to an end after some 4 decades and people are not worried, what will we worry about this forum mate 😂 😂 😂
The country is coming to an end. This place is in deep deep trouble. Zanu cannot undo the problems they’ve created. Every day new stories come out of the jaw dropping corruption and theft. It’s basically just a free for all looting spree that has no apparent end. Every structure and dept has collapsed and nothing works. It’s incredibly grim here.
Sorry to hear that mate. As they say, 'This time will pass' I hope the country sees better days ahead. After all nothing is permanent.
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My pet hate is people who’ve left this country for economic reasons and yet still support this regime. There’s a special place in hell for those MF’s. We have a couple on this forum.
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ShareIt's clear from your posts on this forum that you do have a deep love for Zimbabwe, it's unfortunate that love has rarely (if ever) been returned!
You seem to have a good sense of the situation on the ground, do you really believe that a change is around the corner? Isn't it more likely that the docile nature of Zimbabweans means all these hardships will remain for many more years?
You seem to have a good sense of the situation on the ground, do you really believe that a change is around the corner? Isn't it more likely that the docile nature of Zimbabweans means all these hardships will remain for many more years?
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The problem is the economy always has the last say. Gov attempts to manipulate the currency has always failed. At the end of the day people need to survive and they find a way around the regs that gov puts into place to supposedly help the country, but in reality it’s designed to help themselves.
The government has completely run out of ideas to stem the bleeding here. We are hemorrhaging from every orifice and they are under enormous pressure. Their attempts to hang on are making them more and more unpopular by the day. I don’t know where it’s all headed. If you follow the key guys on Twitter it’s very alarming.
The government has completely run out of ideas to stem the bleeding here. We are hemorrhaging from every orifice and they are under enormous pressure. Their attempts to hang on are making them more and more unpopular by the day. I don’t know where it’s all headed. If you follow the key guys on Twitter it’s very alarming.
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For those of you who don’t get why Googly doesn’t flee, I’ll add some perspective.
Perspective because I know him and like him, I have spent Enough time in both eastern Europe and half in Oz, as in a less developed country (although not nearly as bad as zim) and a comfortable country in Aus ( as opposed to England).
The thing is, which is hard to grasp sometimes, is it can be very difficult navigating work life in countries that just bung on red tape for red tapes sake. Even when the red tape has valid reasons it is just easier to do things sometimes in the less developed world. They also in some ways roll out the red carpet better rock do business. It’s more libertarian.
In Oz I struggle very hard to stay between the lines. Law and work. Because I have that personality where I just want things done and if I want something I’ll just do it. Not structured.
In places like Zim you can. Connections make it happen. Or they let go or don’t care about things people in the first world get anal about.
Call someone a fag in Oz and people are horrified.think they would in zim?
Cut a corner in Oz and it’s a gamble. In zim or Eastern Europe, so what.
Feel like getting drunk in the street? Not in Oz. Yes in the third world.
Some people are in their element in the Wild West.
I know many many decent people from Australia who have made it in Eastern Europe, which they wouldn’t have here. It’s an eye opener.
Perspective because I know him and like him, I have spent Enough time in both eastern Europe and half in Oz, as in a less developed country (although not nearly as bad as zim) and a comfortable country in Aus ( as opposed to England).
The thing is, which is hard to grasp sometimes, is it can be very difficult navigating work life in countries that just bung on red tape for red tapes sake. Even when the red tape has valid reasons it is just easier to do things sometimes in the less developed world. They also in some ways roll out the red carpet better rock do business. It’s more libertarian.
In Oz I struggle very hard to stay between the lines. Law and work. Because I have that personality where I just want things done and if I want something I’ll just do it. Not structured.
In places like Zim you can. Connections make it happen. Or they let go or don’t care about things people in the first world get anal about.
Call someone a fag in Oz and people are horrified.think they would in zim?
Cut a corner in Oz and it’s a gamble. In zim or Eastern Europe, so what.
Feel like getting drunk in the street? Not in Oz. Yes in the third world.
Some people are in their element in the Wild West.
I know many many decent people from Australia who have made it in Eastern Europe, which they wouldn’t have here. It’s an eye opener.
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:22 pm
I know many many decent people from Australia who have made it in Eastern Europe, which they wouldn’t have here. It’s an eye opener.
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Although the sheer irony of an Australian saying what you just said ZIMDOGGY is not lost on some of us. It's a paradox. 😂 😂 😂
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Googly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:07 am
Ok I do have some potentially good news-
Our very own GM has cranked up the heat, someone of importance has decided to take a little break outside the country and hope the dust settles a bit, which hopefully it doesn’t. 😂
He’s not doing nuttin’ as people had thought.
Not at liberty to disclose just yet but it’s about to get mighty hot in the kitchen. 😂
I'm not sure what any of this means or whether it is anything to be excited about, but I've learnt not to really have hope lately.
Googly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:13 am
Because I’d rather be struggling here than anywhere else, but it’s wearing thin. I don’t want to live in a crap little brick house in England and work a 9-5 job. If I had loot to kick back I’d consider it for sure.
I’ve always wanted to outlast Mugabe, that box is almost ticked and I kinda want to outlast Zanu now. These guys have turned everyone’s lives upside down, black and white. I want to see what’s next. It’s probably worse, but what the hell. I see Chamisa is calling for 7 days of prayer and fasting. When the going gets tough here everyone goes to Church. I’m in favour of the fasting bit though. 😂
I respect your decision. I sometimes find things a little baffling. I suppose I am now so used to living in Australia, and also lived in UK, so am used to that 1st world so to speak. Every time I go back to Zim on holiday I just can't fathom how life functions. Even with all that Chinese investment, it's terrible. China Mall is a disaster. I also can't fathom how people actually survive on such minimal wages and there is such a disparity between communities. The gap between rich and poor is extremely huge. There really is no middle class.
I have this sort of discussion about lifetstyle. I get it though. The 9-5 almost robotic life does not appeal to everyone. Even I am starting to feel the effects, but in saying that, we have the services and the opportunities to get away from it. We have functioning health care, and a welfare system that can support you when off work, and services to help you with that career change if needs be. I have a degree, but am studying for a masters and I am doing it online whilst working. I can go to the riverside by the city at night and enjoy that lifestyle and not worrying too much about whether I will have petrol the next day or electricity. Small little things like that.
A lot of the people who I have spoken too tend to hark on about the difficulties or making your bed, cleaning your dishes, your own house, etc...but I don't think I could put kids through the effect of living in Zim. To be fair I don't have any, but if I ever got married - even though i'm 31 - I don't think I would want to put those stresses that are things one is entitled to as a citizen on a wife and kids. Shouldn't have to wake up at midnight to cook your food and warm water to shower in. Shouldn't have to travel overseas every so often for medicines and health care. Shouldn't have to worry about whether you can afford to buy bread and oil.
I also get what ZIMDOGGY is saying about the red tape. Not going to lie, it s**ts me sometimes and I have to kick some assess to get s**t done, but I would rather that than being run by dysfunction. The system of making a plan and knowing someone only really works for some, not all.
I pine for Zim. I miss the place so much, but it almost feels so destroyed that I don't recognise it anymore. The move towards Chinese investment also is something I am not happy with. I've seen the effects of it here in Aus, and I don't like the selfishness of it. Calling for prayer happens so much, but what changes. Sometimes action needs to be called for.
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