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South Africa vs Zimbabwe

2nd T20I · Namibia Cricket Ground, Windhoek

Status MATCH OVER

Series: Namibia vs SA vs Zim

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We'll have proper match threads for Zim matches during the series.

South Africa will be looking to atone for their loss to Namibia. Zimbabwe will have to be on top of their game if they want to win.

Who you got in your XI? Mine 👇

Curran, Bennett, Myers, Raza, Burl, Wes, Marumani (wk), Evans, Matigimu/Cremer, Newman, Muzarabani
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Quoted from Pat_Bee in post #46338

Old ponzo passenging again. Watch Myers and Wez catch all the strays while he sneaks under the radar though 😂


All 3 failed to be fair.
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That was some innings from Maru though, guy's been shunted all over from 1 to 7, but still delivers
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Quoted from dandy in post #46341

That was some innings from Maru though, guy's been shunted all over from 1 to 7, but still delivers


He middled a few today. I like him as a finisher.
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Quoted from admin in post #46332

Is Raza the batsman done?


It’s not looking good for him. Reminds me of the old T20 Raza that couldn’t buy a run.
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Quoted from admin in post #46340

Quoted from Pat_Bee in post #46338

Old ponzo passenging again. Watch Myers and Wez catch all the strays while he sneaks under the radar though 😂


All 3 failed to be fair.


Not sure what match you watched bro 😂😂 Wez bossed it like usual, supporting Marumani, and Myers had to consolidate after Curran gave it away 😂
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Quoted from Mr Twig in post #46343

Quoted from admin in post #46332

Is Raza the batsman done?


It’s not looking good for him. Reminds me of the old T20 Raza that couldn’t buy a run.


😂😂

He isn’t the same raza who turns up in the blast and the hundred.
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Quoted from Pat_Bee in post #46344

Not sure what match you watched bro 😂😂 Wez bossed it like usual, supporting Marumani, and Myers had to consolidate after Curran gave it away 😂


Not taking the bait 😂 You win!
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Quoted from Pat_Bee in post #46344

Quoted from admin in post #46340

Quoted from Pat_Bee in post #46338

Old ponzo passenging again. Watch Myers and Wez catch all the strays while he sneaks under the radar though 😂


All 3 failed to be fair.


Not sure what match you watched bro 😂😂 Wez bossed it like usual, supporting Marumani, and Myers had to consolidate after Curran gave it away 😂


- Burl has been poor for while. He should be called out for sure.
- "Bossing" it with A strike rate of 85? Good one 😂😂😂 Madhevere is not a T20 player in my opinion. He doesn't have the shots and the muscle to clear the boundary regularly.
- Myers, like Madhevere, is not a natural boundary hitter. A number 3 who can't score boundaries is a liability in T20 cricket.
- Curran did give it away, but he gave the team a good start. Still not convinced that he will succeed in the long term, but he did alright today.
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Raza is done.
My All-time Zimbabwe XI
Neil Johnson, Brendan Taylor, Murray Goodwin, Andy Flower (w), David Houghton, Sean Williams, Heath Streak (c), Andy Blignaut, Paul Strang, Eddo Brandes, Blessing Muzarabani
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Not sure persisting with Cremer in T20 cricket makes sense. His spot should have gone to a younger guy.
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To add to my point about Myers, look at how Brevis batted. Now that's how a proper T20 number 3 should play. Myers just doesn't clear the boundary enough.
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Quoted from zimbot in post #46352

To add to my point about Myers, look at how Brevis batted. Now that's how a proper T20 number 3 should play. Myers just doesn't clear the boundary enough.


Can argue that Myers' job at 3 is to rotate the strike, which he did for the large part, but Bennett did no favours by struggling at the other end.
Probably prompting Myers to hit out
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We are wasting time with Cremer, much like we are with Brendan Taylor. Time to move on.
My All-time Zimbabwe XI
Neil Johnson, Brendan Taylor, Murray Goodwin, Andy Flower (w), David Houghton, Sean Williams, Heath Streak (c), Andy Blignaut, Paul Strang, Eddo Brandes, Blessing Muzarabani
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Fair argument dandy. I guess playing a nudger like Myers makes sense if you have genuine boundary hitters around him. Bennett, Raza and Burl are the boundary hitters I guess. Throw Marumani in there as well.

If the boundary hitters don't perform, Myers loses his influence on the match. Perhaps that's why he always gets criticised. His effectiveness is heavily dependent on how well other batters perform.

Unfortunately Raza is no longer performing, Burl only seems to play well in dead rubbers and Bennett has lost a bit of consistency.
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If anyone finds a highlight package please post.

Seems we had too many players get bogged down or soak up to many dots.
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Quoted from Pat_Bee in post #46344



Not sure what match you watched bro 😂😂 Wez bossed it like usual, supporting Marumani, and Myers had to consolidate after Curran gave it away 😂


Can't tell if this is satire or serious. Wez bossed it? Like usual?

I'm so sick and tired of accepting mediocrity with this team.

We are the architects of our own problems, regularly. We relied too much on Raza, Ervine, Williams, we had no progression plan. Bennett and Curran have done a job, but the rest have had countless chances and they have failed. So what did we do, we went to Taylor and Cremer. 2 guys who were out of the game for years and we expect them to be at the International level.

Then you say Curran threw away his wicket? he got us off to a good start, a start to build on. He did his job and the guy to go strong in the powerplay. Yeah it was a bit of a silly shot, but it was one where he was able to play it. No wickets down, and we had a decent amount of runs on the board.

So sick of this racist bullshit.
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Quoted from Andy31 in post #46356

If anyone finds a highlight package please post.

Seems we had too many players get bogged down or soak up to many dots.


I hope proper highlights pop up at some point.

Nothing on ICC tv so far and Supersport gave up on broadcasting the series because of "technical challenges".

The only "highlights" video available is on YouTube. The first 3 overs or so here. Curran played some good shots.
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I have a great idea in terms of how my squad would look like, and heck if it was put into a position of happening I think people would be pleasently surprised at the very least.
First of all in my opinion, T20 Cricket is the most overrated and damaging game and a really stupid concept, that should be limited only to the Domestic Scene if the Boards want to invest in a T20 comp that is. Because eventually it will kill off the heavy emphasis that hopefully still is the actual International scene. Because I can see it becoming more or less more about Franchise Clubs more so than actual international cricket. The importance of domestic cricket is important, but for First Class and List.A matches to help provide a squad to play Tests and ODI's. Anyways, it is what it is and my opinion isn't probably going to make a difference regardless in terms of the bigger picture, we all know where cricket at least seems to be going in the bigger picture.
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So for the time being I'd like the T20i squad for Zimbabwe to look something along the lines of this.
• A strong focus on medium pacers and dibbly dobbly bowlers, by taking the pace of the ball, and have an attacking style keeper always up at the stumps.
Victor Nyauchi I think would be key to that squad also Alex Falao and Alistair Frost
• I'd have Innocent Kaia opening with Bennett or Curran but I'd throw Kaitanos name in there too, Kamakumwa and Ahsan Ali Aqil i believe his name is, they clearly have the capacity to go big if they want, Kaitano topped the NPL run charts with an average of 50+ and a strike rate of 142+ in 40 overs a side.
•Obviously the gap between domestic in Zimbabwe to international is huge, but if a player has the ability and just needs a mind set change throw in a sports psychiatrist.
• Brad Evans I'd keep, but I would only play Blessing and Richie sporadically and rotate them from game to game.

Zimbabwe needs to realise it's strengths and weaknesses, and work with what they have and focus on making its strengths stronger and weaknesses somewhat hidden. I don't believe Zimbabwe has the power hitters necessarily that will score them up to 180+ to 200+ which is where scores will be heading towards even more consistently then they already are. I cannot think of to many real standout medium pacers like dibbly dobblers in Zimbabwe cricket. A player like Guy Whittall would have been key in this generation too, So would Bryan Strang.

Id definitely give Jonathan Campbell another run, the loss of Williams has hurt.But i was thinking Jongwe and Chatara in the squads too.

I believe creating what appears to the opposition a defensive mindset, by playing slow medium pacers with keeper up to the stumps, but just continue with it from ball. 1 and attack the stumps, I don't think there is a single side doing that from my knowledge. The express pace bowlers leak runs, the attacking spinners who will take you lots of wickets like Cremer in Tests and odis will get smashed around in t20i cricket now..But one bad game by Cremer his first game back after injury, he doesn't deserve the slack he's been getting as, unfortunately he was just targeted it's happened to every bowler before.

Just a quick last note. I think the way Zimbabwe Cricket and the fans have disregarded BT as too old is pathetic. Why? He was given 2 ODI games before being dropped. His biggest strength of formats was ODI's he hasn't done as people make out in tests. And the only reason Imo that he was thrown straight back into the squad to play the 2nd test against NZ was because the fact that the Zimbabwe Cricket Board was clearly worried at the fact that Zimbabwe had just lost 3 of the 4 big Tests by wopping margins. As they were hosting against South Africa and New Zealand they probably wanted to avoid humiliation and he was thrown in. BT has given interviews as to why he struggled and be needs time. The same was said about Australias own Steve Waugh when he was of similar age and he shut everyone up. 40 is not that old these days, people take care of their bodies better now, there's more awareness about what to eat and what not to eat, etc.

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Sorry for the long ass post, if you can manage to make sense of my ramblings then you are a genius.🙏🏻
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Quoted from zimbos_05 in post #46357

Quoted from Pat_Bee in post #46344



Not sure what match you watched bro 😂😂 Wez bossed it like usual, supporting Marumani, and Myers had to consolidate after Curran gave it away 😂


Can't tell if this is satire or serious. Wez bossed it? Like usual?

I'm so sick and tired of accepting mediocrity with this team.

We are the architects of our own problems, regularly. We relied too much on Raza, Ervine, Williams, we had no progression plan. Bennett and Curran have done a job, but the rest have had countless chances and they have failed. So what did we do, we went to Taylor and Cremer. 2 guys who were out of the game for years and we expect them to be at the International level.

Then you say Curran threw away his wicket? he got us off to a good start, a start to build on. He did his job and the guy to go strong in the powerplay. Yeah it was a bit of a silly shot, but it was one where he was able to play it. No wickets down, and we had a decent amount of runs on the board.

So sick of this racist bullshit.


😂😂😂 don't let Pat_Bee get to you like that. If you track all his posts, you will see an obvious pattern. Trolling white Zimbabweans is kind of his shtick. Kind of like a sardonic version of Zolsky.

I am all for free speech and I do find some of his posts funny. But I understand that his idea of "humour" may not be everyone's cup of tea. I will add a Mute feature soon. If you think certain forum members raise your blood pressure, you should be able to just mute them and get on with it.

Btw, I agree with most of what you said, zimbos. Our standards simply aren’t high enough for us to consistently compete with and beat the stronger international sides.

The administration deserves a fair amount of blame for that, particularly when it comes to development, succession planning and creating a system that consistently produces international-quality players.

But I also think the problem is cultural.

Zimbabwe cricket doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It is a small reflection of the country around it. We have become far too accustomed to mediocrity, poor standards and things simply not working properly. Things that should be unacceptable gradually become normal, and once they become normal, the standard against which everything else is judged drops with them.

You see it everywhere. Poor infrastructure becomes normal. 80+ people dying in a boating accident and a further 14 or so in a road accident (both of which should not be happening in a country with high standards) in the space of a month and nobody bats an eyelid because it's been normalised. Corruption and nepotism become normal. People learn to celebrate basic competence because competence itself has become unusual.

Cricket is not magically insulated from that environment.
So when an average performances get treated like something extraordinary, or when players are repeatedly selected despite years of mediocre returns, I don’t think that mentality appeared inside Zimbabwe cricket by accident. It reflects a much broader culture of lowered expectations.

The national team is, in many ways, a microcosm of Zimbabwe itself.
Until we become less tolerant of mediocrity and start demanding higher standards, from administrators, coaches, selectors and players alike, I don’t see why we should expect the results to be dramatically different. But hey, demanding higher standards is kind of a crime is in this neck of the woods.
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