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REST IN PEACE PETER CHINGOKA

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zimbos_05 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:27 am


foreignfield wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:17 am

Maybe because cricket was for decades the embodiment of a racist colonial regime?


And the longer you let that bitterness embody you, the more you will never progress.

If Mandela could do it, why can we not follow suit. Cricket is now a majority black sport, ruled by blacks. How much longer are they going to live in the colonial past.

We don't love Mandela. Never have and never will! Don't let those who control the media lead you to believe otherwise. He is a cowardly traitor just like his long annointed successor leading the country right now Cyril Ramaphosa.

All that has been achieved has been inspite of him, not because of him!

If he was effective then "those people" would have turned against him, just like they turned against Desmond Tutu for 1-Proposing White Tax; and 2-Demanding more Black representation in the Springboks.

Economics aside, there is one major difference why Zimbabwean players, coaches and Administrators who are African, have struggled. It's because of their fellow brothers and sisters.

We have always thrown our weight behind all 'black' players no matter how much the media tried to destroy them: Gibbs, Langeveldt, Ntini, Amla, Tsolekile, Tsotsobe, Philander, Berhadien, Bavuma, Phehlukwayo, Loots. Every time they had a poor game alongside a white players, the media always isolated them and hammered them. It was so blantant and unapologetic (same applies to Zimbabwe if you consider how many pathetic performances the likes of Waller and Moor dished out in recent memory).

We always supported and defended our players.

Here you go through the forum and see how many times fellow brothers hammered eg a Maruma and Chari and you wonder if they stop to think what it does to those players when they visit the forum or Facebook. This is why our players have better self-esteem and confidence. They don't have self-sabotaging fans.

If you listen to some people here you would be forgiven for thinking that Craig Evans, John Rennie, Gavin Rennie and Dirk Viljoen were better players/allrounders than Elton Chigumbura and Stuart Matsikenyeri. Never! Even Timecyn Maruma has/had a higher ceiling those four!

An Andile Phehlukwayo will excel, not because he is more talented than Mluleki Nkala, Elton Chigumbura, Luke Jongwe, or William Mashinge - no ways, but it's because we love and support him. Had Vusi Sibanda received even half the love Temba Bavuma gets, it would have done him a whole lot of good! Same applies to coaches Toyana and Nkwe where Mangongo is concerned. Most of our players are Xhosa but loved by Sotho, Venda etc alike. We build, yet you guys destroy your fellowman while a 29 year old PJ Moor quietly without being droped amasses 50 ODI caps while averaging 20 at a 60SR against the likes of UAE, NED & SCO! Whereas, a Forster Mutizwa had to average 35-40 against this level of opposition, and be dropped for averaging 20 odd against the likes of NZ.

Anyway...
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How did he die?

aids?
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:34 am

How did he die?

aids?


Blood pressure and Kidney problems.

https://www.herald.co.zw/go-well-mukoma ... y-brother/

Somebody has clearly been affected by this.

Contrary to popular belief Chingoka did love cricket and he did play a bit in the 70s. His family are sports lovers. Its almost how people on this forum took a while to realize Mangongo had issues but he was actually obsessed with cricket.

Maybe thats the difference now and then. I dont know if the current guys actually love cricket. You might be in it for the wrong reasons but at least love the game. Sport must not be treated like that 9-5 you hate
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TapsC wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:44 am

Contrary to popular belief Chingoka did love cricket and he did play a bit in the 70s. His family are sports lovers.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=364&p=47336&hilit=chingoka#p47327
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Ive been wondering lately what Mangongo is upto nowadays, he seemed to walk away cold turkey after the issues of 2018. The internet doesnt tell much.

The new admins biggest crime is the complete disregard for the game, TapsC is right I think.

Lack of effort and care and disinterest is as bad as the stealing. Maybe worse.

Saving money by not playing games is as logical about boasting youve never had a car accident, because you never bothered to learn to drive.
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It is one thing to weigh up a person's defence. One thing to consider a person's reasons for their actions or excuses for their behaviour. It is a quite separate thing to make the excuses for them.

If they were at all decent these blokes would have acted differently.
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I’m getting really sick of people talking about 80s and 90s cricket being white like it’s something sinister. No other races would have that criticism lobbed at them.

Firstly, if it was so racist then why did Chingoka have a good cricketing and admin career himself in that time?

All I have ever seen is these white guys and white coaches enthusiastically coach young black kids and bring them through. They helped the masses and the masses flipped it to be like an ‘us v them’ race war and it s**ts me.

White Zimbabweans are racially and culturally connected to England and hence into English kinda s**t, so like every expat culture on earth they do things and play sports that’s in their culture. Nothing more.

It’s why USA has cricket clubs full of Indians and Pakis. Even in Oz there are Indian comps. Chinese also gather and play Mah Jong or whatever it’s called and do Tai Chi in the park.

Arabs gather at chicken cafes and smoke argilehs. Last week I saw an expat American team play baseball against an expat Japanese team when I walked My dog.

It’s what people do.

Yet ZC are made to be this racist organisation somehow. Never seen any evidence of it.

Cricket an elite sport, but not a racist one. At least not from shite on black.
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Maybe because cricket was for decades the embodiment of a racist colonial regime? I wonder how you would feel about the baseball if those Japanese and Americans had invaded Oz, turned you into a second class citizen ("those pinks all look the same!") and you were walking their dogs for a living ...

Just to put a perspective on this--it doesn't justify playing the race card forever.

From everything I've read and heard the 80s and 90s were neither black nor white (excuse the pun): there were great steps taken towards integration and good things done by both the old ZCU and enthusiastic black players/coaches, but there was also undoubtably racism and racial uneasiness within cricket--it could hardly have been otherwise given Zimbabwe's recent past. Sadly too many people decided not to walk over the bridges built or thought it better to burn them for their personal benefit.

And then things went downhill for Zimbabwe and for cricket in the country, and unfortunately that (the sad and tragic demise of ZC) is for ever part of Chingoka's legacy.
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That sounds smoky and vague without showing much d smokes.

All I took from it was white People are being racist just bucks existing in Zim.
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foreignfield wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:17 am

Maybe because cricket was for decades the embodiment of a racist colonial regime?


And the longer you let that bitterness embody you, the more you will never progress.

If Mandela could do it, why can we not follow suit. Cricket is now a majority black sport, ruled by blacks. How much longer are they going to live in the colonial past.
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For as long as an excuse is required to cover for gross incompetence and inability to run any single thing without breaking it or stealing it, my guess is if that ever does happen we’ll all be long dead.

Point of correction- cricket is a black minority sport, played by a handful of the povo and ruled by the elite, but hey, it’s clearly a step in the right direction.
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Lets see when club and franchise start and how many games they get through. Start dates are always as late as possible to coincide with the rains so we don’t have to play more than half a dozen games a year, if there’s a drought they’re going to have to find another reason not to play.

I was talking to a school sports Director last week, most schools have two games scheduled for their first teams this term, they might go out on a limb and perhaps organize a couple more, so apart from two well run T20 festivals our schoolboys might play three or four 50 over games tops for the term, an 8 week break over Xmas and maybe another two or three games next term. I’d think the government schools where the game has been brought to the masses, thanks to Pete, will play less than that, in fact they will definitely play a lot less than that because 99% of them don’t have any pitches anymore and it’s not an option for them and if it were most wouldn’t bother.
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Indeed. Rest in Peace Peter Chingoka.

ZCU/ZC was once led!


"While Scotland's decision not to tour has been attributed to political considerations, we as Zimbabwe Cricket are not qualified to comment on matters political of any country, nor would we want to base the future of the game of cricket on political directives," Ozias Bvute, ZC's managing director, said in a statement. "As such Zimbabwe has no dispute with either Cricket Scotland or the ICC. Instead, we seek only a solution that will ultimately allow for fair participation by all.

"The Associate Member countries use this and other competitions to benchmark and track their progress, which is important to them," he said. "To this end we feel that the Intercontinental Cup is a significant competition in Scotland's development and therefore important that it gets the full benefits associated with playing in it."


Even the "good" Senator was in agreement, that was when he still had his wits about him.
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