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Certainly looks to be a new breed of player. I had my doubts given his mid-grade U-19 record, but many youth stars end up fading away at the top level and many who were average become world class players. Wez is certainly looking to have the goods to be Zimbabwe's first world class batsmen since Brendon Taylor.

I didn't get to watch him too much vs PAK given the timings of the series, but my first impression of him in the Bangladesh series was the following:

Strengths

keeps the scoreboard ticking by getting runs constantly, very few Zimbabwean batsmen do this even guys like Taylor, Ervine, Williams often get bogged down

the confidence and batting IQ/awareness to get the above done

weaknesses

shot selection needs a bit of work but very early days in his career

tends to play a bit uppishly for his boundaries a la Musakanda

Question for ZCF is how has he looked on that front in the PAK series so far?
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He’ll get a gig in the PSL, I’m telling you now. Today he showed how versatile he is. Pulling Hasnain and Wahab for four infront I’d square was really impressive for a young guy.

And he bowls and is probably our best fielder.

What a find! Get Myers in, and Shumba, and then make sure Ryan Burl gets the right opportunities, I think we have a decent little middle order there. Musakanda needs another look in and so does Munyonga from what i saw.
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Yeah he looks the goods, we’ve seen the odd bowler hit the scene with a bang like Mavuta, Blessing or Jongwe, but in my time following Zimbabwe cricket I haven’t seen a batsman do so since Hamilton.

Really does look the goods and they seem to be doing the right thing with him batting him in the middle, hopefully they resist the temptation to open with him for now.

I think Wes will benefit immensely from being around the likes of BT, Willy, Raza & Ervine, he’ll learn so much from having the senior guys around.
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jaybro wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:28 am
I think Wes will benefit immensely from being around the likes of BT, Willy, Raza & Ervine, he’ll learn so much from having the senior guys around.


This is so true. They need to get Shumba and other young batsmen into the team right now for the same reason - they can learn off good batsmen.

Something that the BT, Williams generation never had.
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You can’t except a 20 year old Kid to save you all the time,if anything the young talent should install some competition and hope amongst the old lot Taylor,Williams,Raza,Ervine,Chibhabha and Chatara
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No offence to Wes but is he really 20? I find it a bit hard to believe someone can play three u19 world cups?
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Zimco wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:25 pm

No offence to Wes but is he really 20? I find it a bit hard to believe someone can play three u19 world cups?


He was selected in 2016 when he was 15 i think, i remember watching
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Was he really 15, that’s my question. Either way it would have been bloody scary facing fast 19 year olds.its a bit dangerous really to play 15 year olds against the best 19 year olds, not sure if it would be allowed in some countries. Although, it really helps your game to play against older players.
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Zimco wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:56 pm

Was he really 15, that’s my question. Either way it would have been bloody scary facing fast 19 year olds.its a bit dangerous really to play 15 year olds against the best 19 year olds, not sure if it would be allowed in some countries. Although, it really helps your game to play against older players.


He clearly had what it takes mate, he played well in 2016 and scored a half century I think, batting with Schnyder. He looks younger than 20 now, and in that tournament he actually looked like a baby faced boy.
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If you're good enough you're old enough.

Crazy how comfortable he's made the Jump.

Doubt he faces many 140k bowlers in the hood but he takes it in his stride. A talent.
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A serious talent.

For the first time in years I’m going to name my ideal ODI XI:

1. Ryan Burl

2. Brendan Taylor (give the bloke the best opportunity to score)

3. Sean Williams (versatile and very much the utility batsman)

4. Craig Ervine

5. Wesley Madhevere

6. Tari Musakanda

7. Milton Shumba

8. Donald Tiripano

9. Brandon Mavuta

10. Richard Ngarava

11. Blessing Muzarabani
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sloandog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:50 pm

A serious talent.

For the first time in years I’m going to name my ideal ODI XI:

1. Ryan Burl

2. Brendan Taylor (give the bloke the best opportunity to score)

3. Sean Williams (versatile and very much the utility batsman)

4. Craig Ervine

5. Wesley Madhevere

6. Tari Musakanda

7. Milton Shumba

8. Donald Tiripano

9. Brandon Mavuta

10. Richard Ngarava

11. Blessing Muzarabani


I'm pretty sure BT wants number 4. But he should open buy that's what he wants.

ODI IMO - with what I suspect in terms of batting preference

1 Burl

2 Musakanda

3 Ervine

4 Bt

5 Willo

6 Wes

7 Raza

8 Don

9 Jarvis

10 Blessing

11 Chatara (?) I want to see how he holds up
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:04 pm


sloandog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:50 pm

A serious talent.

For the first time in years I’m going to name my ideal ODI XI:

1. Ryan Burl

2. Brendan Taylor (give the bloke the best opportunity to score)

3. Sean Williams (versatile and very much the utility batsman)

4. Craig Ervine

5. Wesley Madhevere

6. Tari Musakanda

7. Milton Shumba

8. Donald Tiripano

9. Brandon Mavuta

10. Richard Ngarava

11. Blessing Muzarabani


I'm pretty sure BT wants number 4. But he should open buy that's what he wants.

ODI IMO - with what I suspect in terms of batting preference

1 Burl

2 Musakanda

3 Ervine

4 Bt

5 Willo

6 Wes

7 Raza

8 Don

9 Jarvis

10 Blessing

11 Chatara (?) I want to see how he holds up


I'm alos seriously considering Wes up top. Although he reminds me a lot of Wills and Taibu in batting style
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ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:05 pm


ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:04 pm


sloandog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:50 pm

A serious talent.

For the first time in years I’m going to name my ideal ODI XI:

1. Ryan Burl

2. Brendan Taylor (give the bloke the best opportunity to score)

3. Sean Williams (versatile and very much the utility batsman)

4. Craig Ervine

5. Wesley Madhevere

6. Tari Musakanda

7. Milton Shumba

8. Donald Tiripano

9. Brandon Mavuta

10. Richard Ngarava

11. Blessing Muzarabani


I'm pretty sure BT wants number 4. But he should open buy that's what he wants.

ODI IMO - with what I suspect in terms of batting preference

1 Burl

2 Musakanda

3 Ervine

4 Bt

5 Willo

6 Wes

7 Raza

8 Don

9 Jarvis

10 Blessing

11 Chatara (?) I want to see how he holds up


I'm alos seriously considering Wes up top. Although he reminds me a lot of Wills and Taibu in batting style


Another school of thought is Ervine open. He needs time to see it.

This obsession with batting middle order has to stop. Nowadays the most damaging batsmen open. Maximises value and takes advantage of power plays

Imagine if David Warner decided he was a number 5. You'd lol
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Ervine for me is better of batting at 5 than any other position. He started batting in the middle order and averaged close to 40 in ODIs. Now he is just above 30 uptop because he is not the best player of pace.
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Take Don out of my 11 and stick Jarv in there
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Coaches reacting to Madhever's debut earlier this year:

Johnson Marumisa:


“His work ethic reminds me a lot of Andy Flower,” Marumisa told IndependentSport this week. “He is a prodigious talent, and as a nation we really must feel very excited about him. He doesn’t stop working. When I coached this kid at Churchill, I had never felt so challenged as a coach. He was hungry for knowledge. When a youngster shows that kind of attitude to you as a coach, you naturally respond positively, keen to pass on all the stuff you have to this youngster.”


Stephen Mangongo:


Madhevere has played in three Under-19 World Cups, the first one in 2016 as a 15-year-old under Stephen Mangongo, the development stalwart who first noticed and nurtured his raw talents.

“He is rare quality,” Mangongo said.“He is a three-dimensional youngster: an electric fielder, good offie, and explosive batter all in one. Also, we have to realise that he has been a beneficiary of the South African Schools system, where he has been on scholarship for the last four years in Pietermaritzburg.”

Madhevere attended St Charles College in KwaZulu-Natal on bursary after being spotted playing for Churchill.


Good to see MAngongo not claiming credit and highlighting the stint in SA.

https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2020/0 ... dy-flower/
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CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:43 am

Coaches reacting to Madhever's debut earlier this year:

Johnson Marumisa:


“His work ethic reminds me a lot of Andy Flower,” Marumisa told IndependentSport this week. “He is a prodigious talent, and as a nation we really must feel very excited about him. He doesn’t stop working. When I coached this kid at Churchill, I had never felt so challenged as a coach. He was hungry for knowledge. When a youngster shows that kind of attitude to you as a coach, you naturally respond positively, keen to pass on all the stuff you have to this youngster.”


Stephen Mangongo:


Madhevere has played in three Under-19 World Cups, the first one in 2016 as a 15-year-old under Stephen Mangongo, the development stalwart who first noticed and nurtured his raw talents.

“He is rare quality,” Mangongo said.“He is a three-dimensional youngster: an electric fielder, good offie, and explosive batter all in one. Also, we have to realise that he has been a beneficiary of the South African Schools system, where he has been on scholarship for the last four years in Pietermaritzburg.”

Madhevere attended St Charles College in KwaZulu-Natal on bursary after being spotted playing for Churchill.


Good to see MAngongo not claiming credit and highlighting the stint in SA.

https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2020/0 ... dy-flower/


Him being in SA explains a lot.

What is the benefit of his South African school?

Import a kid and develop him for another country?

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:05 pm


ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:04 pm


sloandog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:50 pm

A serious talent.

For the first time in years I’m going to name my ideal ODI XI:

1. Ryan Burl

2. Brendan Taylor (give the bloke the best opportunity to score)

3. Sean Williams (versatile and very much the utility batsman)

4. Craig Ervine

5. Wesley Madhevere

6. Tari Musakanda

7. Milton Shumba

8. Donald Tiripano

9. Brandon Mavuta

10. Richard Ngarava

11. Blessing Muzarabani


I'm pretty sure BT wants number 4. But he should open buy that's what he wants.

ODI IMO - with what I suspect in terms of batting preference

1 Burl

2 Musakanda

3 Ervine

4 Bt

5 Willo

6 Wes

7 Raza

8 Don

9 Jarvis

10 Blessing

11 Chatara (?) I want to see how he holds up


I'm alos seriously considering Wes up top. Although he reminds me a lot of Wills and Taibu in batting style


1. PJ Moor

2. Dion Myers

3. Ervine

4. Taylor

5. Williams (C)

6. Madhevere

7. Burl

8. Chisoro (despite his fielding ik)

9. Jarvis

10. Muzarabani

11. Chatara

12. Shumba or Mavuta

I'm not completely in the loop regarding the Dion Myers and PJ Moor situations but you said ideal XI so just gonna go with that, would love to see Murray but looks like that ship has sailed.

I would prefer Burl up top but can use him and Williams as free roamers up and down the order considering the situaiton, and would love to see Dion Myers become the long term opener alongside PJ if he can get his numbers up.
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dont know if this has been posted before buf its a good read about a special boy:

https://www.google.de/url?sa=i&source=w ... 6000178511
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